Real balls? It takes 5 minutes writing some meaningless words on a paper. Nothing more. Apologizing is just another way of manipulating people.

So after this, this and this, all of the sudden he is sorry and we should just accept it? Words are meaningless unless followed by actions.

CCP should clearly assess how this case can (and already is) damage reputation of Eve online and its community in the eyes of the outside world if no real actions are taken against the Mittani. Choice is between CCP's reputation (profit) and a single Eve player.

If CCP does not do anything, the victim could start legal actions and sue both Alex Gianturco and CCP.

EDIT. It will not be about internet spaceships then.

How the media ends up (ab)using it doesn't really depend on what it 'is', so much as on what it can be presented as. And if they do pick it up it will certainly be presented in the context of cyber-bullying as this is a term currently much beloved by the media. In the UK at least, this rubric is not restricted to stuff involving kids but the additional dimension of it happening in a 'game' is bound to reinforce the 'think of the children!' aspect of any story.

The media isn't going to run with a story of a 47 year old man (according to his in-game bio) getting kind-of-sort-of-not-really bullied in a video game that nobody outside of the gaming community has even heard of. There's no press there, nothing to grab onto, especially not with The Wis himself not being too keen on reliving and rehashing that part of his life (think about why he has yet to post in any of these threads - it's probably not a fun thing for him to talk about if it's true, and if it's all made up, then yeah).

What is just as important in this case is what CCP intend to do.

What's a dumpass?

You mean wait a few days and see if the recent events is still a PR nightmare for CCP and all associated entities like the CSM? Because that is what you just said.

Mittani/Alex created a situation that leaves only two options for CCP:

1. Don't ban Alex and all his accounts thus sending the message to all players and the gaming community that CCP supports cyber bullying with the goal to get another player to kill themselves in real life.

2. Ban Alex and all his accounts sending a clear message that CCP does not tolerate cyber bullying with the intent to have someone kill themselves in real life.

That is the situation he created for himself and CCP. No one else did this. He has only himself to blame.

Everyone no matter what your angle is knows damn well that if it was some ordinary player who did this he would be in perma-ban hell right now. Why should Mittani receive this special treatment? Does being on the CSM now or the next term mean they are not held to the EULA like the rest of the players?

Personally, I refrained writing an article over this because further bad press on this issue would just shed an undeserved bad light on the game and it's community.

That's exactly why a resignation would be appropriate. Words and apologies are cheap. If one really wants to own up to his actions he should face the full consequences of those actions.

Even looking beyond what it actually happened, I would be ashamed to be represented by someone that steps on a televised panel during a full expenses paid trip in a drunken state, without concern for the reputation of those he represents.

Those are 4 words

Yep. It's pretty clear that a complete 180 was necessary for even the slightest chance of getting out of this with a CSM spot and his accounts intact. However I believe that was only wishful thinking. It may mitigate the damage somewhat, but he's not going to emerge unscathed, and he knows it. CCP cannot afford to just let him off the hook at this point, period. Legal and PR need a head on a platter.

Ultimately the room of discussion is limited. The CSM grants a certain amount of personal visibility, influence and advantages. With the perks comes responsibility, and consequence for the breach of that responsibility needs to be unforgiving.

Now that the media got its hands on this mess (and mind you the same should happens if the media didn't, as it should be a matter of principle), the only way for the CSM to keep it's credibility is to remove the offender.

Do we seriously want to be publicly represented by someone that doesn't have the slight sense necessary not to get wasted before a televised panel he has to speak at, during an all expenses paid trip? That seems a rather mindboggling idea to me.

this isnt politics and the csm isnt a democracy

ccp will do whats best for them , and imo that is the banhammer

Not that many actually, especially between those that covered prominent positions, and the CSM chair is a very prominent position in its context.

I'd rather be represented, in a future mandate, by someone who as made a large mistake and is willing to actually face its full consequences, instead of just apologizing and hoping in getting away with it with a wirstslap.

A product of the zero-defect society we live in now. Have to remember we are all human and some of us like to drink beer.

What happened to the lollipops?

The lack of Response from CCP is disturbing, Mittens has gone under the ground in hope of the storm will go away and he happily can stay on CSM and in game

but saying he wants to resign and then not do it if he don't removes whatever credibility he have left after that stunt.

page 140 and this is still not locked?

If actual justice were to be served, his punishment would end at being forced to watch replays of his bad jokes and asinine behavior for a few days.

If actual justice were to be served, his punishment would end at being forced to watch replays of his bad jokes and asinine behavior for a few days.

Okay, you win.

WTF? I now watched the video and this is NOTHING. We're talking about someone giving an IN-GAME NAME of another player during a GAMING CONVENTION. I initially thought that there were real names involved and the 'victim' might have been subjected to possible real-life harassment.

I was expecting some nasty stuff, but seriously, this is a joke.

Yeah, because 4chan gives a **** about this guy.

Come on.

Afaik no-one acted on what he said, and an evemail is considerably less deadly than being set alight even if you do have suicidal tendencies, so once again you are twisting things. Sure there may have been a couple of guys listening who thought "it would be fun to greif this guy" but it is only in your fantasy that thousands of goons hang on Mittanis every drunken word.

God can someone lock this thread, the level of terrible posting and idiots crapping up the forums with their QQ is too much for one forum section to handle.

Thats just it, you are speaking generally. In reality the chances of any given email actually pushing someone over the edge are very slim. On the other hand being set alight is pretty much guaranteed to do you damage. I do not deny what Mittani did was worng and could conceivably have led to something terrible, but it is a long long way from being a death sentance like rogue is making out, even if the imaginary flurry of emails had ever been sent.

He was 22 a few days ago, space travel if fking hell on the bodies clock

"I was really drunk at the time" stops being a sincere apology at about age 16. It's an attempt at an excuse.

Im going down the pub in ten minutes for a pint. Anyone else interested?

That is a shockingly poor choice for a refreshing beverage.

Only vindictive ones are the goons mate.

Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"

The Mittani isn't treating any of us with the respect we deserve. And we are speaking up thank you very much.

So tell me how you treat random strangers. They clearly haven't earned your respect. I mean how could they if they have never met you. Everybody new you meet is obviously disrespecting you. And what exactly is the criteria for your "respect".